Mukasey keeps on making stupid statements. His latest:
Testifying before the House Judiciary Committee, Mukasey said it would be inappropriate to investigate the interrogators because the Justice Department had issued secret memos concluding that President Bush’s wartime powers made waterboarding and warrantless surveillance legally permissible.
“Essentially, it would tell people, you rely on a Justice Department opinion as part of a program, then you will be subject to criminal investigation when and if the tenure of the person who wrote the opinion changes or, indeed, the political winds change,” Mukasey said. “And that’s not something that I think would be appropriate, and it’s not something I will do.”
Rep. Delahunt states the obvious:
Mukasey was essentially giving “immunity from any criminal culpability” to anyone who breaks a law, so long as the Office of Legal Counsel secretly signs off on the conduct – even if the legal advice was “inaccurate.”
Imagine if an AG said that something obviously illegal was ok (like, I don’t know, waterboarding) and someone did that, then the Justice Department would not go after them. He gave no limitations, so this would be true for murder even. As I said, stupid.
This person doesn’t quite get it:
“People who rely on good faith on an Office of Legal Counsel opinion should not be prosecuted even if it turns out that the opinion was wrong,” said Dawn Johnsen, an Indiana University law professor who ran the office during the Clinton administration. “To prosecute a government employee who relied upon that opinion is not the way to fix the problem.”
The way to fix that problem, she said, was through more aggressive congressional oversight – including by lawmakers insisting they be shown any memos that conclude that a president’s constitutional powers trump a statute.
I like the fact that Charlie Savage (who wrote the article) follows this up with:
Yesterday, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative John Conyers, Democrat of Michigan, asked to see the waterboarding memos, saying he and his colleagues had top-secret security clearances. Mukasey refused, saying the memos discussed a classified program.
Yeah, oversight, that would work. Note that Mukasey in these two bits has said that the Justice Department will not go after anybody for doing something the Justice Department says is ok and nobody can see the memos that said they were ok (in other words, the Justice Department unilaterally gets to decide if somethin is legal with no oversight).
In another place, Mukasey says that waterboarding might now be illegal but with a very large caveat:
A C.I.A. spokesman, Paul Gimigliano, later said that General Hayden was in agreement with remarks earlier in the week by Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, and Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, that any decision to use waterboarding in the future would require approval by the attorney general and the president.
Yeah, I’m sure approval would be very hard to get.
Also, I love this bit (from here):
NADLER: Mr. Attorney General, I was interested to hear you say a moment ago that if the president ordered someone to do something against the clear intent of Congress, that’s outside the law.
The FISA act said a person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally, one, engages in electronic surveillance under the color of law, except as authorized by statute.
Now, the president admitted that he did that. Every 45 days he signed an authorization to direct the surveillance of people in the United States without a warrant as required by the FISA act.
Now, I had previously asked your predecessor, Attorney General Gonzales, given this apparent prima facie case that the president and people under him, including the prior attorney general, engaged in felonious conduct by doing so, that he appoint a special counsel to investigate the warrantless surveillance of Americans.
And I recently reiterated that request to you.
Now in your testimony before the Senate last week, you responded to Senator Leahy’s questions on whether the president violated the law by authorizing wireless surveillance by stating that you, quote, “don’t know whether the president acted in violation of statutes,” unquote, including FISA.
I believe we need to know the answer: Did the president, with, as has been reported, the advice of the Justice Department, break the law?
I believe the answer is clear that he did.
Given the extraordinary circumstances involved, allegations of criminal conduct by the president and other high-ranking officials and the possibility of conflict at the Justice Department, will you now agree to appoint outside special counsel so that we finally will get an answer to this question?
MUKASEY: The direct answer to your question is no, I will not.
NADLER: Because?
MUKASEY: Beg pardon?
NADLER: Because?
MUKASEY: Because — because there is one detail that was omitted, and it may very well have been my fault in saying I didn’t know when I’d forgotten or overlooked.
There was in place an order — I’m sorry, an opinion of the Justice Department describing the legal basis for the program to which you refer. That included the authorization of the use of military force, as a congressional statute on which it was relied that that behavior was legal.
I understand that there are views on both sides of that — strong ones.
NADLER: Well, there are views — let’s put it this way: The Supreme Court in the Hamdan case, in a case just about directly on point, ruled that — for reasons I’m not going to get into now, we don’t have time in five minutes — that the use of the two excuses by the Justice Department, namely the president’s inherent powers under Article II and the authorization for the use of military force as justification, was not, in fact, justification. The president is still bound by the law. The law was not repealed by implication by the AUMF and that that’s not sufficient.
Wow, he says there are views on both sides of that and doesn’t mention that one view on the other side of the Department of Justice was the Supreme Court. Hmm.